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I think a hardware section on this website is a great idea, here is a few ideas on mousepads and mice I use! 

 

First lets talk mouse pads... I've been through a few.. few more then a few. I Use a moderately low sensitivity (~50cm/360) so the size of the pad is important, bigger the better.

In my opinion mouse pad friction should be very consistent, IMO the actual speed of the surface is not as important as its overall consistency. Starting your mouse movement (static friction) and continuing a movement (kinetic friction) ideally would be equal, though this is not possible, I believe the closer they feel the more consistent and reliable the pad will feel.
Adding to that is how the pad material lets your hand/arm slide over it. Some pads in my experience really grab to your hand/arm (Possibly not as much of a problem if your have very dry hands, moisture is the root cause of the problem).

Here's a few I've recently used:

- Logitech 640 - 460x400, 3mm thick. Lumpy under surface (a handful of 'lumps' under the cloth which was very apparent when swiping back and forth over it). Nothing more to say. NEXT.

- ASUS ROG SHEATH - 900x440, 3mm thick. Perfectly flat and VERY fast. Friction is very consistent on the mouse unfortunately this is one of them pads that really tends to lock on to my hand when it gets sweaty, making it feel less consistent overall.

- BenQ Zowie G-SR - 480x400, 3.5mm thick. Perfectly flat with a somewhat *inconsistent surface speed. *Static friction is really quite high, highest I've tested, coupled with a fairly fast *kinetic friction speed, resulting in a fairly inconsistent experience. On the positive side it's got the smoothest feeling most uniform base of ALL the pads tested, coupled with a high quality feel I still rate this pad highly if you get used to the unusual glide.

- Steelseries Qck+ - 450x400, 2mm thick. Perfectly flat and moderately fast surface speed. Friction is quite balanced on this pad making it feel consistent and reliable. Adding to that my hand has little trouble moving over this pad i rate these pads highly.

- Razer Gigantus - 455mm square, 5mm thick. Originally i tested this pad and it had what felt like a lumpy under surface (was like an air bubble that seemed to move around. I wrote this pad off and called it a day. Well i decided to give it another go and to my disbelief the 'lump' is nowhere to be found.
Perfectly flat and with similar mouse feel to the Qck pads. Qck possibly a little bit faster. Friction also feels really consistent and reliable. Overall i notice little difference between this and the Qck and rate it highly.

- Steelseries Qck HEAVY - 450x400, 6mm thick. Read Qck+ but thicker. Despite people saying it uses a different cloth, I've compared them both and they are identical cloths. IMO its a tad too thick.

- Fnatic Focus G1 XXL - 487x372, 3mm thick. Perfectly flat and second only to the ASUS ROG in terms of surface speed. Friction seems consistent however alike the ASUS (all 'glossy' pads???) as soon as your hand gets a bit sweaty it starts sticking to the pad.

- Roccat Taito 2017 900x330, 3mm thick. I played with this pad only for a short time. It's not tall enough for me, so I'm trying to source the 370mm tall version (not available in Australia, yet :(. What I can say though is it really feels like a faster steel series pad. Friction seems consistent and in the short time I used it I never had any problems with it gripping to my hand! When I get the larger version I'll update.

- Steelseries Qck Extended - 900x400, 4mm thick. Read Qck+ but thicker and wider! Despite people saying it uses a different cloth, I've compared them both and they are identical cloths. This pad is the best thickness out of the range coupled with extra room!

- ARTISAN Ninja FX Zero  XL - 490x420, 4mm thick - Currently testing this pad, details on page 4.
 

Lets talk mice...
I'll start by saying sensors aside, Logitech in general has better buttons and scroll wheels, they are much more consistent, almost faultless. As for sensors and polling rates I don't notice a difference between the 3310 and 3366. Polling rates are stable at 1000hz on all mice listed, regardless of hearsay.

Now its down to Shape/Grip style, here's what I've used recently:

- Logitech G900

- Logitech G403 wired 

- Logitech G403 Wireless

- Logitech G PRO Wireless

- Logitech G PRO Gaming Mouse HERO (currently testing)

- Zowie EC2-A

- Zowie FK2,

- Zowie FK1

- Zowie FK1+

- Steelseries Rival 300

- Steelseries Rival 310

- Steelseries Rival 600

- Razer DeathAdder Elite

- Razer Lancehead TE 

- ROCCAT Kone EMP

Here's some specifics on my favorites!

Steelseries Rival 310 - This mouse has a GREAT shape, the geometry allows a very solid grip. the buttons are all very good, great flexible cable and one of the best gliding mouses I've used. The only negative i can pick is the rubber sides, when your hands are dry they offer amazing grip, coupled with great geometry the mouse is literally locked in place. Perfect. Unfortunately after your hands warm up, any moisture makes the grips very slippery and lets this mouse down. Honestly if this mouse had comfort grooves in the M1/M2 buttons and a similar coating/ grips as the Rival 600 (the grips on the rival 600 almost improve as your hands warm up, the rest of the mouse is coated in an anti slip coating, Great!), this would easily be my top pick.

Zowie FK  1 - Almost as soon as I picked up this mouse I liked it, a lot. You can get a VERY SOLID grip on this shape and ultimately is why it feels so consistent and reliable, no rubber grips and it doesn't need it, the geometry is good enough that the painted coating is all you need. The L&R clicks are stiffer than most and take some getting used to and the side buttons / mouse wheel are OK. Great contact pads, glides well. Great flexible cable and not much to say about the 3310 sensor, works fine, tracks well. Obviously DPI steps are limited to 400, 800, 1600 & 3200. Not really a problem for most. After months of using this mouse the only concern I had was discomfort in my hand as your pinkie finger is generally completely unsupported (FK2 and FK1), i personally prefer the FK 1+ as it is a little wider and gave my pinkie some much needed support.

Zowie EC2-A - I'll begin with my dislikes. Side buttons are below average and feel unresponsive. The middle button / scroll wheel need a fresh design, the light which cannot be turned off is bright enough at 800DPI to stun a rabbit. Now that's over with I can say the L&R clicks feel ok. Great contact pads. Great cable and again a well implemented 3310 with the same DPI steps as listed for the FK1. The shape on this mouse is great, admittedly the initial feel does not compare to the FK series, however I do not get any discomfort with this shape and I still have a decent grip.

Razer DeathAdder Elite - I Really wanted to like this mouse more. Great cable. GREAT contact pads and a sensor implementation that seemingly stands above the rest, seemingly sharper and more responsive than the 3366 counterparts I've tested. Weight and balance is good. Surface calibration and DPI steps of 100 is all preferable to the Zowie 'plug and play'. The L&R clicks are fine, not the best but preferable to the FK series at least and the scroll wheel and side buttons are A+.

Unfortunately the shape, arguably the most important factor lets this mouse down. The overall shape is good but the right side of the mouse is where it all falls down, unlike the Zowie there's literally nowhere for your ring finger to 'hook' in, Coupled with a generally 'slick' plastic texture that amplifies the problem. Sadly as much as I wanted to like this mouse the Zowie shape proves much more reliable and consistent.

In general I seem to prefer ambidextrous designs, they generally have a ledge that the thumb and ring finger can really hook on to, allowing you to really clamp the mouse between the ring and thumb, something 'most' ergonomic designs lack. Emphasizing the thumb and ring contact areas of the mouse with a suitable plane / surface to CLAMP the mouse is really where companies drop the ball. It's also an area that Zowie have perfected, making them the #1 choice and recommendation. Hopefully we will see a new series with a 3360+ and consistently better buttons and scroll wheels.
 

In the end none of these mice have any major flaws and it's down to preference. I honestly believe the mouse pad is the most important factor to get right (unless your using a potato for a mouse).

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Any specific questions feel free!

 

 

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Really good overview of mousepads!

I am using a Steelseries Heavy and a Zowie G TF-X, but I might give the Roccat Taito or the Razer Gigantus a try :)

I really like the The Zowie G TF-X​, is hybrid between plastic and Cloth, but I have the same problem like you (with "glossy" pads) , that my hands like to get stuck on it when it is a little sweaty

 

And for the mices...well I cant use ambidextrous due to some proplems with my hand..I need some ergonomic mice. But I think for people who like ambidextrous mice, they get some good informations here (y)

 

(Btw..do you know Rocket Jump Ninja from Youtube? :D )

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I'v never tried the GTF-X although i've heard good things about it. Zowie made a great reputation on their ORIGIONAL 'blue' G-SR pad which i'm told is nothing like the new BenQ version. Sadly...

 

I have watched quite a few of RJN reviews, He's great at giving an opinion but I really would like more detail when it comes to mouse pads.

The majority of his mouse pad reviews come down to 'wish it had stitching', colour and how thick it is. The friction (glide, stop, start) of a mouse pad and how it reacts with mouse feet, hand & arm is the make or break for a mouse pad IMO. Something barely mentioned, if ever.

 

I've left comments on his YouTube previously with some potential beneficial tests to improve his mouse pad reviews. Sadly, unless you say something to boost his ego the chance of a reply are slim.

 

TBH I'm really looking forward to DPI Wiz mouse reviews as they have some real factual benefit. Something I don't see anywhere else.

 

 

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I had some serious issues with sprays control, burst control or any sort of aiming with the G900 for some reason and seemed to pixel jump as well, Tried their mousepads to make sure, but no difference. The G series mouse pads are okay at least the 240 and 640, but I have no room for them as I am sitting in Racing sim cockpit with just a keyboard trey, So I am using Corsair MM300 extended which I quite like, has a nice surface, it doesn't warm your hand and doesn't look dirty and the mouse has both speed and control and as far as surfaces go one of the best I have used. I had one of zowies hybrid thing mouse pads, but it kinda bulged over my keyboard trey giving uneven surface, but as far as mouse pads go it was good.

As for mouse I am using Zowie EC2-A Fingertip grip. I like it because it works and it is simple. And by works it means, I can aim and it seems to have direct input to what I am doing. Not too smooth and not to erratic either. Clicks are clicks can't complain, but can't praise either. The wheel is also the same, but nice and silent. Side buttons are easy to press, but not accidentally.
I Tried Rival 300 which I can't stand it is so 20$ mouse lol, it feels cheap it looks cheap and everything you press or scroll feels cheap. However it works.
Corsair M45 the smoothest experience, also satisfying mouse wheel...However the buttons are squishy at long range one taps it is great but often on rapid fire go mush and nothing happens.

I had some few other mice, but nothing note worthy.

I also had Steelseries DeX which is awesome, but way tooooooo smalllll!!!

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Just wanted to chime in and say the the QCK+ Heavy is the best mousepad in existence, if you have the space for it. In terms of mouse, I use an Zowie EC1-A because I have big hands. For other big handed people, I think the deathadder is also a good choice.

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Just wanted to chime in and say the the QCK+ Heavy is the best mousepad in existence, if you have the space for it. In terms of mouse, I use an Zowie EC1-A because I have big hands. For other big handed people, I think the deathadder is also a good choice.

I agree about the mices, I've used all the dethadder mices, my hands are not that big and I'm planning to try the EC2-A.

By the way the new deathadder elite disappointed me, the build quality is pretty low for the price imo.

The QCK+ Heavy feels too thick for me tho, I prefer the standard version. Recently I tried the razer gigantus but the mousepad had wrinkles issues, I had to return it (a lot of people had this problem). Lately I feel like razer's product quality is going down.

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Are you going to extended your collection of mousepads over time?

 

I'm somewhat addicted to mousepads and mice.. The collection will grow when I see something that looks worth buying!

 

 

 

I agree about the mices, I've used all the dethadder mices, my hands are not that big and I'm planning to try the EC2-A.

By the way the new deathadder elite disappointed me, the build quality is pretty low for the price imo.

The QCK+ Heavy feels too thick for me tho, I prefer the standard version. Recently I tried the razer gigantus but the mousepad had wrinkles issues, I had to return it (a lot of people had this problem). Lately I feel like razer's product quality is going down.

 

I ORIGIONALLY had a similar issue "Originally I tested this pad and it had what felt like a lumpy under surface (was like an air bubble that seemed to move around. I wrote this pad off and called it a day."

 

​Luckily for me when I tested it again, after reading lots of positive comments about it... The issue had resolved itself...

 

Regardless I prefer the Qck surface anyway, a smidge.

 

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I would love to hear some feedback about the Glorious XL Heavy or the Cooler Master Storm Swift-RX Large :P

I can't decide which one I am going to buy, cuz they are all very similar to eachother:

Cooler Master Storm Swift-RX Large

Glorious XL Heavy

Razer Gigantus

Roccat Taito 2017

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I just bought the Glorious XL Heavy mousepad. Its excellent! :) The mouse glides a lot "faster"  /with less resistance in comparison to the Steelseries QCK HEAVY. I dont know if I like "faster" in the long run, but for now I find it really good.

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I just bought the Glorious XL Heavy mousepad. Its excellent! :) The mouse glides a lot "faster"  /with less resistance in comparison to the Steelseries QCK HEAVY. I dont know if I like "faster" in the long run, but for now I find it really good.

Keep us posted, I've heard lots of good things about them.

 

I recently bought the Steelseries extended, its my perfect thickness of 4mm. I also bought the Razer deathadder elite to test out.

 

 

UPDATE:

 

The Razer DeathAdder Elite had such potential. The sensor, mouse feet, buttons, scroll wheel, weight and even the power cord are all VERY GOOD.

This mouse feels very snappy in game contrary to my statement above regarding no noticeable difference between sensors, I really believe I do notice how much sharper this one feels.

​Unfortunately as much as I've really tried to like this mouse, the shape lets it down. The shape is comfortable, very comfortable but it lacks shape that allows you to 'clamp' the mouse, there's no ledge on the right side anywhere that allows your ring / pinky finger to grip the mouse, coupled with a relatively slippery plastic. Ultimately making this mouse feel unreliable and lowering in game performance.

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I Really hope companies like Razer in future releases can distinguish between comfortable ergonomics and useful ergonomics. The most comfortable shape DOES NOT mean it's the best performing shape.

​The Zowie FK is actually quite an uncomfortable mouse in comparison to the Razer DeathAdder, however it allows a very solid grip with minimal pressure. Anyone who thinks they get a firm grip on the DA, I suggest you try out FK.

 

 

PERFORMANCE > COMFORT

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Yeah the Razer DeathAdder shape is ridiculous. My Hands would't hurt after 10 mins of using it :( Thats the reason why I never bought it, even I would like to (And the Synaps software...)

In my opinion, comfort is as important as perforance, because when you feel comfortable with a mouse you aim will better too. If you have a perfect sensore but you are scared of touching your mouse, it wont help u a lot^^

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Received the Razer Lancehead TE today. First impressions are; GREAT L&R clicks, stiff scroll wheel. Contact pads aren't as good as the DA E. shape is.... questionable but I'm going to give it a roll first.

Update to follow.

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Razer Lancehead Tournament Edition

The shape is nothing like the DA. To me the size and overall shape feels a lot like the FK1, however they have added curves in the wrong places. For example the thumb rather then having a slight indent to provide grip has an outward curve that would allow your thumb to rest? Eliminating the thumbs solid grip feeling you get on the FK1. The opposite side where your ring finger rests has a very awkward protruding 'sharp' curve that really makes this mouse feel awkward to use. I honestly do not know who gave them reason for this shape, it really does not feel good at all.

The overall quality seems good, the L&R clicks are possibly my favourite from my collection, the scroll wheel and side buttons are a downgrade from the DeathAdder Elite (which are very good) however not to bad. It weighs around 10g more than the DA E and is only about 2g lighter then the G900...

Overall unless you have tried this mouse in the hand I would not recommend it. If you like Razer then I would recommend the DA E as I really do like that mouse, I just wish it had a better area for the ring finger to lock on to.

NEXT!

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Logitech G403 + the biggest mousemat I could find. 

Size and shape fits me extremely well.
If you're looking for a mouse you should look for a mouse that fits you well and a sensor that's flawless.

I could give one for the G403 as well. Since I've legit been using it for a year now and it's still in a perfect condition even after 6-9 hours usage a day.

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18 hours ago, NoMaD.oW said:

Logitech G403 + the biggest mousemat I could find. 

Size and shape fits me extremely well.
If you're looking for a mouse you should look for a mouse that fits you well and a sensor that's flawless.

I could give one for the G403 as well. Since I've legit been using it for a year now and it's still in a perfect condition even after 6-9 hours usage a day.

I didn't mind the Logitech G403, I just found other shapes that fit me better. It was my favourite ergo until I decided to try out the EC2 A. G403 still has flaws and I feel they are deliberate. G900 for example has a superior mouse wheel, L&R clicks, mouse feet. If they simply made it as 'premium' as the G900 then offered a cheaper wired version (with a better cable ideally) I feel it would cover more of the market.

I've been using the EC2 A as of late, I really do think a EC1 A will be better (for me) but I'm not willing to buy another Zowie until they update the sensor.

 

Great to hear your feedback though!

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7 hours ago, DNAMTE said:

I didn't mind the Logitech G403, I just found other shapes that fit me better. It was my favourite ergo until I decided to try out the EC2 A. G403 still has flaws and I feel they are deliberate. G900 for example has a superior mouse wheel, L&R clicks, mouse feet. If they simply made it as 'premium' as the G900 then offered a cheaper wired version (with a better cable ideally) I feel it would cover more of the market.

I've been using the EC2 A as of late, I really do think a EC1 A will be better (for me) but I'm not willing to buy another Zowie until they update the sensor.

 

Great to hear your feedback though!

Oh a 100% though, if the Zowie EC2 A fits you better you should be sticking with that.
I feel like the shape of the mouse can make you perform a lot better than one might think.

I have actually read Zowie makes one of the better shaped mouses out there as well

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Any opinions on the HyperX Skyn mousepads? Ive never bought a bigger mouse pad and was wondering how the one i got with my headset hold up against the rest :).

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On ‎1‎/‎06‎/‎2017 at 9:55 PM, idiom444 said:

Any opinions on the HyperX Skyn mousepads? Ive never bought a bigger mouse pad and was wondering how the one i got with my headset hold up against the rest :).

I've not had the chance to play with one, if you don't see any issues when using it. Keep it!

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A little note to the Glorious XL Heavy I recently bought: In the summer when my hand is a little swetty my hand starts to stick on the mousepad. To be fair most mausepads have this issue, still I was hoping this Mousepad woudn't :/

Otherwise still a great Mousepad :)

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On ‎15‎/‎06‎/‎2017 at 5:34 AM, WhoCares? said:

A little note to the Glorious XL Heavy I recently bought: In the summer when my hand is a little swetty my hand starts to stick on the mousepad. To be fair most mausepads have this issue, still I was hoping this Mousepad woudn't :/

Otherwise still a great Mousepad :)

The ASUS ROG and Fnatic Focus pads I tested also suffer with this. Any 'glossy' pad in fact seems to suffer with this. Another reason the SS Qck pads remain #1. Humidity and glossy pads = disaster.

It's my belief that the less actual contact area between mouse and mouse pad, the more consistent and less reactive to humidity changes. Quite possibly because less contact area = less area that can change under alternating conditions.

A fan favourite was the Razer Goliathus 'speed' pad which has a 'textured' surface, minimising surface contact.

It seems very common that companies associate speed with 'smooth' when designing mouse pads, quite the opposite can be more beneficial considering static and kinetic friction. The reality is not much R&D is put towards mouse pads and frankly many of the pads given some effort end up worse.

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