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Ale reacted to a post in a topic: Optimal Cm/360 for Warzone
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There is none. Sensitivity for any game is a personal preference. There is a reason there are billions of forum posts in different forums about people going mental over the perfect sensitity as well as loads of clickbait videos on youtube. It all boils down to your preference and lots of practice, no shortcuts, no formula, no magic. I see that you play at 35cm/360 which is a decent medium sensitivity for games such as call of duty. It is a good sensitivity to stick with for Warzone, unless you feel the need to change it because can't move the way you want to or you don't have the precision you want. But that is solely up to you and your capabilities.
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That is because you probably didn't optimize your system towards polling precision. So 1000hz is not stable, hence 500hz feels better to you. I had the exact same, and it was because i had horrible polling precision. I then optimized my system and now 1000hz feels as good or even better than 500hz before optimizing it .Check this thread out. http://www.overclock.net/t/1550666/usb-polling-precision Some mice drop polls or are flat out unstable. But with a gaming grade mouse, unless it is faulty, there should be no difference (especially Zowie, Logitech, Razer and so on). So 97% of the time it is not your mouse but your operating system, that won't allow you to use a stable 1000hz. But that can be optimized, like already mentioned.
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G403 vs DA-Elite. Inconsistent DPI. Help please.
DarioFubar replied to Derpturtle's topic in Technical Discussion
It is quite normal for different mice to have fluctuating cpi values. Those values even change when you apply new feet or use a different mousepad. All zowie mice are usually below the advertised steps. So 400 is usually around 390~ , while the G-pro for example is around 405~ . So the best way to measure it yourself is, to use this software http://www.overclock.net/t/1590569/mousetester-software-reloaded Go into a game, pick a spot on the wall turn around 360, measure your distance traveled with a ruler and then compare it the one from the mousetester, keep adjusting the cpi value in the mouse tester, till it matches with what you measure. Or just measure it with the mousetester multiple times and take the average. -
If 1000hz is stable then use that, if it is not. Then use 500hz. Most people don't optimize their systems for polling precision. A thread that helped me a lot was this one http://www.overclock.net/t/1550666/usb-polling-precision Use this software http://www.overclock.net/t/1590569/mousetester-software-reloaded to test your mouse and post the results in that thread. Someone will surely help you. Not to bash this forum. But if you need more advanced technical help, head over to that site instead.
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Has Anyone Developed a Way to Find Your "Natural" Sensitivity?
DarioFubar replied to KandiVan's topic in Technical Discussion
I already answered OP with a valid answer in regards to his question. Since everyone is different, there is NO scientific method or formula that would help anyone find a sensitivity that is 100% suited for him. Like you already mentioned, hand size, grip style and so on plays a big role. Psychological factors also play a big part. So the best way would be to take a median setting and start adjusting from there to your liking. There are some findings that will somewhat help , like comparing what the majority of pro players use and try to start from there. In the end it doesn't matter, everyone is different, there is no formula. The thing you quoted was me referring to someone claiming that finding a perfect sens in a 3d environment can be aided while playing 2d games. Which i once again fail to see the benefit of just playing the game you want to get good at instead. But then once again, if that guy in particular thinks it helps him, then he should just keep doing it. It is all in our heads anyways. And i agree with you, there is no scientific formula and there never will be. Since we are all humans and everyone is different has personal preferences which is determined by their past. The only way is to just play and keep adjusting over time till you feel like it is good for you. That is pretty much why there are millions of forum posts all over the internet with people arguing over it. -
Has Anyone Developed a Way to Find Your "Natural" Sensitivity?
DarioFubar replied to KandiVan's topic in Technical Discussion
Sure, if you manage to perfectly match your sens , between 2d and 3d games so they feel somewhat equal, then yea. It will surely help to not ruin your aim in fps games. In fact you should always try to match your sensitivities across different games, so you muscle memory stays on point. That is the whole point of this website. If you want to get good at a game, play "that" game, a lot. Since even the feeling between different fps games differ, due to different movement and weapon mechanics and even different Engines feel different. Recoil control, flick shots, also 90 and 180 degree turns, leading your shots and so on. On top of that , there is more than just aim that makes you good at fps games. So i fail to see how people, "prefer" playing Osu or other games to get good at csgo, instead of playing csgo. Unless for whatever reason you can't play the game you want during that time, then sure, better than nothing. Although it is highly unlikely. Like already mentioned. Sure moving your mouse is moving your mouse. But that is the same as preparing for your driving license test practicing on a bicycle (it is both the same right? You move from point A to point B). I completely agree that some games don't need pixel precision, that is exactly what i mentioned in my earlier posts. But saying, play OSU or use a 2d trainer or even saying play a different fps game instead of just playing the game you are trying to get good at is you putting yourself at a disadvantage. And Osu is more about getting down patterns than reaction time, since it is not randomized. Like already mentioned you can't obtain a feel for 180degree 90degree movements in 2d games. So unless your point is, "When you play many different games, make sure to match your sensitivity across all of them" (which is the whole point of this website, so it is redundant to mention that), you missed the topic. -
Has Anyone Developed a Way to Find Your "Natural" Sensitivity?
DarioFubar replied to KandiVan's topic in Technical Discussion
That is fine for 2d related movements. But doesn't help in first person shooters. You can get used to everything, but there is a range that usually works better for some than for others. So there is NO way of finding the perfect sensitivity for everyone. No formula. There is only practice, practice, practice and testing, testing, testing, till it feels right. Also why do people keep bringing up Osu? Osu is supposed to be played with a tablet. Sure playing Osu with a mouse can help you getting used to using a mouse (if you are completely new to using a pc). But so can playing Dota or just clicking on your desktop shortcuts. I fail to see the correlation between Osu and acquiring decent aim in fps games. That is like saying, drive a bike in order to learn how to drive a car. And that is a lengthy and annoying process, yet worth it in the end. But one thing is certain, try to figure it out as early as possible. Be worse today but be a more complete player down the road. I still stand by what i said, i think, if you play first person shooters than even in faster paced games such as quake with a lot of focus on movement, medium to low sensitivity is superior. High sense and fps don't mix well. If you do well with anything below 20cm/360 you will be insane at something like 35-60cm/360. The biggest reason why people use high sens is, because they start using a pc with a 5000dpi setting on their mouse and don't change it in games and never question it, they come from 2d/top down/rts games. Or they force themselves to ("my desk is not big enough for a big mousepad", or "my mouse can't do fast swipes and i don't want to buy a gaming grade mouse") and then stick with it even when they don't need to anymore. Good luck everyone. And remember , don't limit yourself. It is all about the right settings for the games you play. Don't drive with your bike on the highway and don't drive with your racecar in the forest. In the end it is all about personal preference, and your head plays the biggest role, so if you think you do better with a certain setting, use it. Everyone is different! -
Has Anyone Developed a Way to Find Your "Natural" Sensitivity?
DarioFubar replied to KandiVan's topic in Technical Discussion
I know what you mean, i guess it has something to do with the third person perspective , it gives you a complete different feeling than in first person only games. I always struggle to find a sens that feels similar to my first person only sens. One of the reasons why Stormen does really well in h1z1 for example, is probably also due to him using a really low mouse sensitivity (80cm/360). Low sens offers much more precision at the cost of movement. So it is up to everyone individually to decide what is more important and find a right balance for his main game. -
Has Anyone Developed a Way to Find Your "Natural" Sensitivity?
DarioFubar replied to KandiVan's topic in Technical Discussion
I 100% agree with this statement. I am also using a 90cm wide / 45cm high pad and play at 48cm/360 . I do even better and have a much easier time being precise, when i lower it to something like 70cm / 360. But i am just lazy and this sense is a tad bit slow for certain games. But yea, go as low as possible. Players using high sens and doing just fine, would still improve by so much with a low sens. So yea, there is a reason why the majority of professional fps players all use a lower sensitivity and almost no one is using anything higher than 20cm/360. And i also agree that playing 2d games such as osu and aimbooster doesn't do anything for your muscle memory in 3d environments. If you want to get good at a game, play THAT game, a lot. Even different fps games have a different feel to it, due to different movement, weapon recoil mechanics and such. So the key is to play that game you want to get good at , and do it a lot. Also analyze yourself and be totally honest , in which areas you need to improve and then actively practice these things. Not just aiming, but try to become a more complete player in general, not relying on your aim purely. Outplay, outmaneuver , outposition your opponents. Aiming is the most inconsistent thing about a player. Even Brain Surgeons , have tools that allow for a lower movement ratio compared to their hand movements. And those guys need super high dexterity. So they are essentially also "lowering their sens" . -
Has Anyone Developed a Way to Find Your "Natural" Sensitivity?
DarioFubar replied to KandiVan's topic in Technical Discussion
Pretty much what Jabbothehut said. Different games require different sensitivities , so people who played slower paced aiming focused games like Counter Strike will usually have a lower sensitivity than players who played Warsow, Quake, Overwatch and such. Find the game you want to focus on and then find the best combination of being able to aim well without it limiting your movement. Once you found that sens, stick with it and never change. If you want to have empirical data to back up your decision, do this. A friend of mine played BF3 and he played 2 weeks with a high sens and 1 week with a low sens, resetting his stats in between . His accuracy and kd on low sens were almost double of what he was able to achieve with high sens. So he stuck with the low sens. This is my story (only read if , if you are bored) : For example i started playing day of defeat ages ago with a bad wireless mouse, i used insanely high sensitivity 2.5cm/360 and never really questioned it. I was pretty bad and thought that i am just not good at fps games. Then i eventually started playing Tribes 2 and the best aimer on my team asked me about my sens. He told me to lower it drastically. I then lowered it to something like 70cm/360 and i started becoming a really good dueler. When Battlefield 3 came around i increased it up to 60cm/360 (since you can just aim down your sights and that is even lower than your hipfire sens). Eventually i got into Counter Strike and while i was able to aim accurately and headshot someone at range was a breeze with such a low sens , i sometimes felt handicapped while entering a site checking opposing corners. I kept raising my sens eventually till i felt that i had a harder time headshotting enemies at longer ranges. And now i settled on 48cm/360 . My range where i perform best is something like 41cm-60cm / 360. I use 48cm/360 for every game i play. And unless a game is extremely fast paced i have no issues using it. In some games i feel handicapped in my movement and in counter strike i sometimes feel like wanting to use a lower sens again. So try to play as high as possible as you can while you still feel that you can aim well for the game you focus on. Higher sens = easier time moving around harder to accurately aim the further the target is away. Lower sens = easier time to headshot or hitting people that are far away (depends on the game). It is up to yourself to find what suits you best. For me it took around 10 years. And i know i should probably play with a lower sens than what i have now, but i feel like i need slightly higher sens to be able to cope with close quarters engagements. That being said a faster paced games would be Quake and even in that game none of the top pros played with a sens faster than 20cm/360 . So aim for anything between 20cm/360 -- 70cm/360 based on what game you play. Personally i believe that anything faster than 20cm/360 will limit anyones true aiming skill and slower than 70cm/360 limits you too much movement wise for what it offers . I can surely play and get used to anything even 10cm/360 , but i my aim isn't even close to what it is when i use 48cm/360.